Thursday, August 11, 2011

12AX7 Black Plate Review, USA tubes as good as Mullard & Telefunken

"The earlier a signal is in the audio chain, the more important it's amplification is."  This truism places the 12AX7/ECC83 class at the top of a list for the most important tubes in your amplifier.  If you have done any tube rolling, you know from experience that the 12AX7 has more effect on amplifier sound than the following 12AU7 or any other low/medium gain stage.   The reason has to do with the high gain characteristic of the 12AX7 (or other high gain tubes like 12AT7, 12AZ7, 12AY7, etc.)  High gain is used successfully only on very small signals--hence high gain tubes are the first in line for phonograph or microphones or tape heads.  If you have never used a high quality vintage old stock 12AX7/ECC83, you will be stunned at the difference.  We are documenting our listening tests to help you select the proper vintage tube.

A little bit should be said about the equipment used.  The soon-to-be-released custom phono/line stage amplifier from Old Stock Audio has phenomenal articulation and uniquely reveals the subtleties of the tubes.  One of the features of that amplifier is that many of the audio path internal components are also old stock and hand selected including OIP (oil-in-paper) capacitors, military quality hardened switches, and hand built transformers.  This pre-amp feeds an E80L amplifier driving a pair of Teresonic Lowther-based speakers.  This setup truly reveals even the minutest details.

The oldest USA tubes are black plates and all of them are superb, but some really sing.  We tested after separating both by manufacturer, and construction/date.

            1.         Long 'D' Getter, early 50s, White Lettering:  The tone was excellent and even with very good articulation.  The timpani attacks in a large symphony recording came through sharp and musical.  The ambience was engaging.  One listener commented "There is so much room in the sound".  Highly Recommended
            2.         Large Horseshoe Getter with double crossbar mount, '50's, ULTRA-RARE!: If you took the tubes from #1 and sprinkled magic fairy dust on them, you might come close to the sound of this tube.  Far superior IMHO to a smooth plate Telefunken--I did NOT want to stop listening.  Utterly Sublime, and very rare.
            3.         7025 Bent 'D" getter, Orange Lettering and reinforced top mica: The 7025 label is often a military version, or ruggedized version of the standard 12AX7 or ECC83.  This tube was very similar to #1, but we felt that solo instruments came forward in the sound stage just a little more.  A classical guitar solo entranced us, as did the french horn.  Highly recommended.
            4.         JRC (Military) Long 'D' Getter, White Lettering, early '50s:  Again this military version of #1 was very similar to it, but with even greater resolution of the sound stage and articulate subtlety.  The bass was tight and wonderful.  Descriptive words: Subtle, Gentle, Strong, Fast.  Very Highly Recommended.
            5.         Early '60's Long D Getter, Orange Lettering: Not as articulate as #4 or #2, but still very musical and smooth.  Reminded me more of a Sylvania style sound than traditional RCA.  Recommended.
            6.         U-Getter with Foil Crossbar, White Lettering, early '50's, ULTRA-RARE:  Absolutely wonderful sound! Enormous sound stage.  Super articulation without any harshness.  Tight Bass.  Possibly my favorite Black Plate.

There are seven different styles of 1950's and early 1960's Raytheon 12AX7 & 7025 that we were able to categorize.  The sound was so similar in all varieties that it is not possible to break them out individually.  As a class of tubes, the black plate Raytheon are truly superb--equal to the best of the RCA.  The Raytheon sound has a hint of darkness added to the detail.  In passages like the middle of the first movement of the Dvorak 9th, this darkness exposes the melancholy of that passage and makes the listening experience almost transcendent.  I love the Raytheon black plates and highly recommend them without reservation.

Sylvania Black Plate
Sylvania is traditionally known for its smooth and musical sound.  It is close to Mullard in that sense.  The Sylvania vintage black plate adds articulation that is near to TungSol along with a large sound stage and very tight bass.  Another feature that is common to the Sylvania line is their ability to handle complexity.  Reproduction is faultless, and in the case of the Sylvania Gold Brand, absolutely unmatched.  The Sylvania Gold Brand/Gold Pin are not black plate, but they are my all time favorite 12AX7.  These are factory graded for low noise and have a very long break in period.  I only wish they were not so rare.  I highly recommend all Sylvania Black Plate and Gold Brand tubes.

TungSol Black Plate:
I almost decided not to include the TungSol Black plate because they are so rare and generally unavailable, but there is an excitement to TungSol Black Plate that is unique.  Whereas the Sylvania Gold Brand are unmatched in their neutrality, the TungSol black plate are unmatched in their articulation and attacks, without losing the tonal beauty.  It is a matter of personal choice and amplifier type as to which 12AX7 is right for your system.  My system is one that reveals details so I tend to use the Sylvania Gold Brand for symphonies, the Raytheon Black Plate for solo and ensemble, and the TungSol Black plate for Jazz and Rock.  Highly Recommended.

GE Black Plate:
Finally we come to the GE Black plate in the USA line-up.  Most of these are labeled Kenrad, but they were made by GE.  GE gets a bad rap a lot of the time, but it is not deserved.  Their quality control was excellent and tube to tube similarity is much better in the GE and Raytheon lines than in the RCA lines.  The GE Black plate 12AX7 (and 5751) have an enchanting and beautiful sound.  Articulation is excellent, though not as detailed as the TungSol.  Sound stage is expansive and inclusive.  As an all around tube you cannot go wrong with the GE Black Plates.  They are great performers and very durable.  Microphonics is rare in the GE line—again due to the excellent quality control.  I use GE tubes as my everyday and background listening tubes.  Highly Recommended.


  1. @LabHost - TY for a most informative post, and one I relate to strongly in terms of classical music listening. May I ask about Raytheon long black 12AX7 vs. 12AX7A? Elsewhere have seen accolades specifically for the Raytheon 12AX7A, without mention of the '12ax7.' Thanks.

    1. My mistake--I was testing the 12AX7A Raytheon Black Plate. I was not able to find a 12AX7 version of this tube, so it may not be a production item.

  2. Your'e telling us GE valves are as EQUAL to Black Plate RCAs?!!! I say NONSENSE!!!
    The GE 12AX7 are harch to the point of being it restating!!! I gladly pitched mine for a Mullard and went into a Bliss state!!! Also, why no Tellies?!!! No JJs?!!!

  3. More maddening is the fact that you don't say WHY NOS is superior to new stuff?!!! I have run into 14 year olds that wax euphoric over LPs because vinyl SMELLS BETTER than CDs?!!! That gets me frothing at the mouth which is why they said it in the first place---to push my buttons!!! Vinyl can extract 400 bits per channel whereas with CDs, you are stuck with 16bit/44.6kHz.

    I need to know WHY a black based 1962 RCA sounds better than a 2014 SovTek or Mullard!!! You can't say Puce is superior to blue due to its articulation , headroom & presence!!! Ya gotta prove it by quantifying it!!!

  4. Michael, the author offered his opinion and gave detail on what he hears with the various tubes. I test 12ax7s in my small single ended class a fender guitar amps, any time I compare most any of the vintage long blackplates to new production stuff, the vintage are clearly and obviously superior sounding, and I agree with the author's findings.

    1. Have you plugged in the GL re-issues? I use them, as well as nearly every tube above.

  5. Michael. The particular Black Plate GE is is taking about is the Ken Rad Carbonized Nickel plate made in the Owesboro factory right after the GE buyout. The design is all Ken Rad, and was produced using Ken Rad values until at least 1951 or 1952, when GE started monkeying with things.

    And yes, these are some of the finest sounding valves you will ever hear, RCA included. Based on your incredulity I don't think it is too difficult to surmise you have never heard an example.

  6. Oh, and Michael, maybe it will make you feel better to know that the Ken Rad/GE 12AX7 we are talking about is pretty much based on the first RCA design. RCA and Ken Rad had a working relationship... Ken Rad developed their version only a year past RCA, with the goal to improve on RCA's design. I think they acheived their goal.

  7. Oh my. I really can't take you seriously at all now, Michael. You must be joking. You have to be. 400 bits per channel on vinyl? Hahaha. You had to pull that one completely out of your ass.

  8. Michael you poor simple minded soul, the author didn't include JJ or "Tellie's" (?!) is because his post was about AMERICAN 12AX7.... and b/c JJ's are trash... there I said it. And I agree with his findings pretty much across the board with the tubes he speaks of that I have had the pleasure to hear. And I LOVE the way vinyl smells, much better than that acrylic twang...

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  10. The whole point of the article is that there's something with the benefit of black plate tubes. You didn't compare them to anything NON black plate. How in the world does this help me to understand the benefit of that type of tube if there's nothing else to compare it to. All this is a review of black plate tubes and it tells me NOTHING!!! These black plate tubes sound great compared to what!?!?!? A tube that sounds 30% better is nothing if you're comparing it to a tube that already has 1000% better sound in some other category.

    I've learned my lesson, when I see a sale for 50% off I cringe. 50% off of what? A 1000% markup?